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@JohnKucek2 @DanSvensson77 @DrKittyGirl No, but some of my students' tasks where graded as complete/incomplete (and in effect, if they attempted the task, they "completed" it). Which is to say, there are tasks where my students were able to earn 100% for attempting things beyond their current abilities.Permalink On twitter.com
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@JohnKucek2 @DanSvensson77 @DrKittyGirl (I teach language in a place where students are risk averse and tend to clam up: part of the whole process is getting them to try because they cannot learn or improve if they clam up and worry about earning this or that grade.) i.e. grading those tasks would be counterproductivePermalink On twitter.com
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@JohnKucek2 @DanSvensson77 @DrKittyGirl And bear in mind, the value of those cumulative practice tasks toward their final grades can, in some of my classes, be significant. Like, half the grade or more. Probably more that @DrKittyGirl's final exam is worth toward their students' final grades.On twitter.com
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@JohnKucek2 @DanSvensson77 @DrKittyGirl But to me (and my students) the value of those tasks is that the more they practice the stuff we're covering in class, the more they internalize it and improve. And they do tend to improve significantly if they do those tasks. The grade is just an incentive.Permalink On twitter.com
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@JohnKucek2 @DanSvensson77 @DrKittyGirl And frankly it's an incentive that shouldn't be necessary: students shouldn't prioritize grades over learning. But many do, because—ding, ding!—they've been trained to think that hierarchical evaluation results are the be-all and end-all of education.Permalink On twitter.com
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@JohnKucek2 @DanSvensson77 @DrKittyGirl The thing you don't really seem to grasp is that the grading system we have is an arbitrary holdover from a time when we understood learning and the demonstration of learning a lot less well than we understand it now. Some universities have indeed dispensed with it.Permalink On twitter.com
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@JohnKucek2 @DanSvensson77 @DrKittyGirl For example, Alverno College, in Wisconsin, IIRC, is a school that does not use grading. Every class is pass/fail. Profs don't give you a grade: they give you assignments and feedback on the assignments, to help you learn more and improve your mastery of the subject.Permalink On twitter.com
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@JohnKucek2 @DanSvensson77 @DrKittyGirl At least this is what was described by me by a lecturer who'd worked there for decades. My students who attended as exchange students said the system helped them to them focus more on the subject and their understanding of it, and it changed how they thought about learning.Permalink On twitter.com
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@JohnKucek2 @DanSvensson77 @DrKittyGirl Grading and grading systems are... broken, frankly. There's countless indicators of this. We maintain it basically because we have it, because admins can't grasp not having it, because some profs and admins are traditionalists, and because changing the system is a PITA.Permalink On twitter.com
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@JohnKucek2 @DanSvensson77 @DrKittyGirl There are countless better ways to teach and learn, but they're less monetizable, less amenable shitty and shallow Taylorist metrics, and frankly too many people just take for granted the system we have. *shrug* But hey, go be angry about someone not grading how you'd like. 🙄Permalink On twitter.com
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@JohnKucek2 @DanSvensson77 @DrKittyGirl And I don't mean to be rude, but it's just frustrating when someone who isn't an educator barges in and starts telling people who're in the trenches doing it that any change or reform to a creaky, broken, awful system is wrong because It's Always Worked. (Because it hasn't.)Permalink On twitter.com