gordsellar’s avatargordsellar’s Twitter Archive—№ 8,798

  1. Yeah, no more of this. (Not sure why—whether it's just all the people in Korea who read the Economist for their English, or because I read an article (rightly) railing at The Economist for being garbage, but I've been targeted by Economist tweets for a week and I'm done.)
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    1. …in reply to @gordsellar
      Especially since, you know, a lot of their promoted tweets are garbage praising Sweden's handling of COVID as exemplary. Screw off, The Economist: I live in South Korea, I know what exemplary handling of COVID *actually* looks like.
      1. …in reply to @gordsellar
        A moment or two comparing the numbers of dead in Korea and Sweden—and the numbers of elderly, and the sizes of the population, is pretty worthwhile. As of a day or two ago: S. Korea: Total Population: ~50 million people Cases so far: 27,553 Deaths: 480
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        1. …in reply to @gordsellar
          Sweden: Total population: ~10 million people Cases so far: 146,461 Deaths: 6,022
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          1. …in reply to @gordsellar
            You saw that right. Sweden has 1/5th the population of South Korea... ... but 5x the number of confirmed COVID cases, and 12.5x the number of reported COVID deaths. That's the ABSOLUTE numbers. I'm no mathematician, but... that's pretty shocking.
            1. …in reply to @gordsellar
              Even more so if you adjust for relative population size: if S. Korea had handled things as "well" as Sweden we'd have had ~30,100-odd deaths and ~690,000 cases.
              1. …in reply to @gordsellar
                On 4 November alone, there were 4497 confirmed cases in Sweden. That's a little less than a fifth of the CUMULATIVE TOTAL number of confirmed cases in Korea. And everyone knows they've been testing more people here than most places, so... *shrug*
                1. …in reply to @gordsellar
                  "But the deaths were in old folks homes..." Does that make it better? (🥺) Elderly population (65+): South Korea: 15% of total population (7.6 million) Sweden: 20% of total population (~2million) Sweden does have relatively more elderly people than Korea—relatively. But...
                  1. …in reply to @gordsellar
                    Korea's total elderly population is like 3/4 of the TOTAL population of Sweden; Sweden's is less than a third of Korea's elderly population. If elderly people being disproportionately vulnerable was the whole story, Korea would have had way more deaths in absolute terms, right?
                    1. …in reply to @gordsellar
                      All this leaves one curious (not really) why Sweden is the country they choose to praise. Especially when multiple East Asian countries have done better in relative and absolute terms.
                      1. …in reply to @gordsellar
                        Now, I'm open to detailed comparisons by people who know more (math? facts?) than I do. I'll admit Korea didn't take as many precautions about data privacy as it could (easily) have done. Maybe the fact more elderly people live with adult kids made a difference here. I dunno.
                        1. …in reply to @gordsellar
                          But even so, The Economist promoting articles praising Sweden's handling of COVID to people in Korea looks embarrassingly dumb to me, in the way committed ideologues who ignore reality always look.
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                            Which by the way is the main point in that article I mentioned reading: currentaffairs.org/2017/05/how-the-economist-thinks Not an endorsement of Current Affairs—which I can't remember much about, though I've read it a few times. But it's a good, apt trashing of the Economist.
                            1. …in reply to @gordsellar
                              Also: I'm not dismissing the labor or commitment of health care workers in Sweden, who I'm sure are doing their best with a really rough situation. This is about deeply questionable policy being loudly and publicly praised.
                              1. …in reply to @gordsellar
                                It's almost a year later. Now, Korea's got: 2,394 deaths and ~284,000 cases. Sweden, with 1/5th the population of S. Korea, has 1.14M cases and 14,775 cases.
                                1. …in reply to @gordsellar
                                  If Korea had handled things as "well" as the US, we'd be at almost 6 million confirmed cases and (roughly speaking) around 75,000 deaths. Just because Sweden's handling it better than the US, doesn't mean it's doing well.
                                  1. …in reply to @gordsellar
                                    Not that I think Korea's been perfect re: COVID, but... I've been thinking about how lucky my family has been that we happened to be a place where the gov't and populace was strongly committed to not just letting the pandemic kill a bunch of people who didn't have to die.
                                    1. …in reply to @gordsellar
                                      Wait, did I say "If Korea had handled things as well as the US"? I actually meant Sweden. ("I was distracted," says the frazzled parent.)
                                      1. …in reply to @gordsellar
                                        If you calculate deaths by a proportion of population, Korea handling things as "well" as the USA would means ~106,200 deaths so far, as opposed to the 2,404 deaths we've actually had. i.e. The US COVID death rate is 44x worse overall than South Korea's.
                                        1. …in reply to @gordsellar
                                          One could argue that there's a degree of apples and oranges: Koreans are more accepting of mild, necessary privacy intrusions (so track & trace was more practicable), it's "less cosmopolitan," fewer variants. But at the end of the say, mishandling is also obviously a factor.
                                          1. …in reply to @gordsellar
                                            And since I'm Canadian: if Korea had handled COVID as "well" as Canada, we'd have a total of ~37,650 dead here instead of ~2,400. That's still ~15x the death rate, which is not what I'd call "good."
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                                              (Not gonna even project how many confirmed cases there'd be here: it'd be a lot more than the ratio of confirmed cases in the US because w/o track & trace your confirmed cases number becomes far less reliable.)
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                                                I should add: this is on my mind because this week is a major national holiday (i.e. "visit your family"). I suspect our national caseload might get worse after that. But it still probably won't hold a candle to a lot of places, so I'm still feeling fortunate.